another too good to be true?

[jrpgators]

hey guys really like your show.
there is a lot of rumbling on the streets and on TV about using water that is supposedly broken down into the oxygen and 2 hydrogen atoms and fed into the intake giving much better mileage, the latest i have seen is a full page (almost ) advertisement in last sundays "usa weekend ". sends you to www.picctv.com/usar4.
how about ya'll checking this out , and telling us the general public it works or works some or donate instead to your favorite charity.

[carsandcycles]

Okay, I'm thinking 'spammer' here; convince me you're not and we might leave this post alone.

[danny]

looks like advertising to me-he said it was in the paper but posted a website.

[jrpgators]

i'm not a 'spammer' , if anything i'm a total novice if that good on a PC.
What i said or wrote was true. the advertisement was almost a full page ad in the weekly from usa.
i do know a little physics and chemistry so the sales pitch is just good enough to intrigue me. a spark, i believe will cause two hydrogen atoms to join with one oxygen to make a molecue of water. but taking them back apart, i don't know , except we generate hydrogen gas in charging a battery, which is explosive as all get out. So maybe someone has figure out how to meter that back into an engine. I think somehow that could be done, but ...what would be the effect on the internals , valves, pistons, rings?
and there are a lot of people out there trying to sell something that does this. i would love like all get out to be able to run my rv again without mortgaging the house.

[carsandcycles]

The payback is not equal to the energy required to split the water molecule. You 'can' run on hydrogen, but until you can do it efficiently and in quantity, these add on mechanisms are not the answer.

And with this, I'm not going to delete; however I am moving to the OFFTOPIC section.

[dougbfresh]

I love these-if it was this easy, Detroit (or Europe or Asia) would have been doing this a long time ago. It takes electricity to split the water-where do you think the electricity comes from??????? You have to burn fuel to make the electricity. All the current hydrogen fuel cell cars do not BURN hydrogen, they pump it through a catalyst which generates electricity and WATER again-the water goes out the tailpipe and the electricity runs electric motors. The hydrogen takes energy to make, and unless you use wind/solar/hydroelectric or nuclear, your burning fossil fuels to make the hydrogen.

So yes-it is too good to be true (but I do have a bridge I could sell you).

[jrpgators]

Thank you moderator and super user. ( don't want any bridges ) now maybe i can give my relative a valid reason why not to buy one. Its in your first sentence moderator , energy payback is not good enough from the splitting of the molecue. But I can just hear him now saying, but the guy says it's 7 or 9 times more energy. Whatever,,, as the kids say.
The sellers are smart enough to NOT say they are actually splitting the molecues to get the hydrogen and oxygen. And they don't say the engine is RUNNING on hydrogen , but it is an additive that boosts the power of the explosion in the cylinder and their computer has the car/truck computer cut down on the amount of gas being fed in. therefore better gas mileage.
I've only seen it in movies but believe it is true, racing etc, sometimes uses nitrous oxide or ? to zoom off. but i think it also, I may be wrong, can ruin the engine by cracking etc a piston.
I think what these guys are doing is using a fine water vapor to cleanse the carbon etc out . What ol timers like me did before they came up with 'upper cylinder cleaner' . and used a lot of that , one a month, with a 72 cad . bought in 75. mileage without it was 5-6 in the city and just after using it it would go up to 9-10. Super user- need to keep an open mind , thats how news things are invented.
thanks again for the valid response. i was trying to get it to the attention of the tv guys , i think debunking this kind of stuff would make a good show.