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I was talking to my buddy today. He was telling me about a bleach line that his dad use to have in his.It is a line that runs from the trunk to the tires for when you want to smoke them. I guess that it burns better and saves your tires some. Dose anyone know about these mainly how to set them up. He could not remember
Trader Ray
11-25-2002, 09:27 PM
get crative and do it cheap, I would use typical ford parts and run the tubing to the trunk, and use the washer pump or a extra one and the spray nozzels and all, drill two small holes in your rear wheel wells and intall the spray nozzels pointed toward your rear tires, I would insure that the bleach is not flamable, but I read my bleach bottle and it did not mention it.
Thanks I thought that that would be nice to add on. Read the 302 buildup s10 i have a update on my car
raceman6135
11-25-2002, 11:22 PM
"Bleach" has not been used in decades! Yes, DECADES!!! The term "bleach box" or "bleach 'em white" are colloquial terms still used by old-timers.
Use plain water. There is nothing else needed to smoke (and waste) rubber as it's the tire's compound that determines the amount of smoke. Plus, plain water will make the washer pump live much longer.
DJS
vetteonr
11-26-2002, 10:26 AM
You can use water but you get more smoke and a whiter look with bleach, (Pardon the "whiter" play on words). They still use bleach down on Woodward during the cruise every summer.
carsandcycles
11-26-2002, 04:34 PM
I think the reason they originally used bleach in the bleach box at the drags was that bleach is slipperier than water and you can spin your tires easier. A couple of problems with bleach are that it is smelly, it is hard to get off of things, it bleaches colors white and is very corrosive. You really don't want to get in on your car as it will peel your paint and/or rust your metal.
Trader Ray
11-26-2002, 06:03 PM
I have always heard of the bleach for a good burn out, but is it just for the show, or did it have a real racing purpose other than the burn out and cleaning off the debri from the tires?
They (racers) dont burn there tires not only to get the debri off but also to make the tires hot, so that they stick to the strip better so that they can get a better start. Am I wrong?
Trader Ray
11-27-2002, 12:39 AM
oh yes, you are right, but why bleach? did it soften the tires to make them more stickey or was the bleach for show, to make it look like they were really smoking them, and at the same time saving the tires and still getting the big show? Did the bleach actually make them sticky?
I dont think so the kid that I was talking to said he dad did it. For street that is. So I dont know if racers did it. I know that there is a product out there that you dump on your tires and then 10' strip infront of them and it help says that you can take the track with you. But I think that the bleach burn better making a better show. I am not sure though
thecarguy
11-27-2002, 02:47 AM
dont quote me on it but i have heard that mixing 50/50 water and bleach makes a very oily substance that is ideal for burnouts.
I wonder what other house hold substances are used for burnout?? Hmmm
raceman6135
11-27-2002, 03:59 AM
Back in the 1950's and '60s, drag racers used to try anything to get their tires to hook: bleach, gasoline, glue, and all sorts of concoctions to soften the rubber. Everyone swore by their own experience, and considering just how hard a lot of those old tires were, there's probably some truth to some of the chemistry.
The racing associations, however, got tired of everyone putting all kinds of crap-o-la down on their strips, and outlawed everything except plain water. If you get caught using anything but plain water, they'll toss you out on your can. In fact, I haven't been to a drag strip in many, many years that lets you put your own "stuff" down. They have a designated person to spray out the water, and that person also sweeps away the rubber crumbs left behind.
I've tried using bleach, bleach and water mixed, and a few things I'm too embarassed to admit to. I never saw any difference in the colour or amount of smoke coming off the Goodyears.
But, it's your car, your tires, and your street. Have at 'er.
DJS
Well thanks for the imformation I think that i learn what I wanted to when I opened it. Thanks again to all the help me
Southtowns27
12-03-2002, 12:44 AM
I knew this older guy, he was in his 60's but still acted like an 18 year old. He had a '70 Dodge Dart with a slant 6 in it. He rigged up one of the old glass windshield washer jars with the rubber squeezy ball thing and ran lines back to the rear tires. He used motor oil in his. I was with him once when he said "watch this." He squeezed the washer thingee a couple times then powerbraked the he|| out of it...in the middle of town no less. I've never seen so much smoke in my life. We were then immediately pulled over by the county sheriff. Of course we denied doing it, we only had a little 6 cylinder. The cop actually had him open the hood. Quote from the cop "Get out of my sight right now...I never want to see this car do that again." lol. Since the cop said that he never wanted to see that car do it again, we went back to his house and got his other Dart...the one with the 340 and nitrous....need i say more.
Do you remember how it was set up
Trader Ray
12-03-2002, 01:13 AM
man that sounds crazy, I bet it smoked them good
Common with all those rides that you have had you had nothing like that set up
Trader Ray
12-03-2002, 01:33 AM
I could not afford oil for the motor let alone the smoke screen. I was the one who put my last dollar in the tank and waited to eat, had to cruz!! I had more in the stereo than the brakes, I drove a pinto for two months and did not even have a master cylinder on the thing, used the parking brake that was between the seats. Dedicated to cruzing.
Lol I would not have wanted to get the car after you sold it. Breaks must have been shot after that. My friend got his first car. We would skip school and go fishing, but he would e brake almost every corner. It was fun had to replace the brakes after about a month.
Trader Ray
12-03-2002, 09:34 PM
I have been in rough shape before, I had to one day and night, go start the car every other hour because I did not have good enough anti freeze.
Wow, must have made for a good nights sleep
olds fan
12-04-2002, 12:08 AM
how is the progress with that 64? I have a dream of finding a 60's era Cutlass. Later 60's would be perfect. I would love to find a 1969 W-30 442, I guess this is some trivia for you, what did the "442" stand for, the real meaning of it? Also, do you have a model of your car, I've seen them, it was a Ford Thunderbolt, they were Fairlanes. I build model cars of the one's I have owned at one time or another.
The status of my car is at a stand still right now. I have to help my father rebuild a house and I am a chef at a resterant and I go to school so my time is slim here and there. So it is were i left it. I have the front end riped out I am sandblasting it and painting it. I have replaced all teh breaks m/c everything with em, all the fornt end have been changed over. cept the lower ball joint things are a 100 bucks a pop. anyways.... ahhh the inside has been cutted I have to replace all floor boards and toe boards. And the trunk pan, but i cant find one. I have all the other parts. I am going to bore out the motor and put a 347 strocker kit in it. Then I will need to rebuild that trans probably. hmmm what else I have had to pound out some large dents. the car had been in a accident and was not taken car of. There are now holes in teh fender from it, so I have to weld them back together. Think that about covers it. And with the 442 I am not sure what did it mean?
And no i dont have a model of it but I will buy one when it is done to put in the back window at shows
olds fan
12-04-2002, 12:24 AM
I like the idea, paint it the same.
olds fan
12-04-2002, 12:32 AM
What do you call 10 Ford owners standing by a fence?? First round losers! lol
Oh that is low, what is the answer to the 442 question
olds fan
12-04-2002, 04:32 PM
442 =Four barrel Four speed Duel exhaust
ahhh nice what car had that orginaly?
Trader Ray
12-08-2002, 10:45 PM
The 442 originaly had that combination. A big Hurst shifter and all that power from the roket. They were nice. I think the first years were the best one's.
Phil L
02-17-2005, 04:36 PM
I wonder what other house hold substances are used for burnout?? Hmmm
I have herd that amonia works well,thats what they use in the movies for those smokie burnouts...
Big Papa D
09-10-2006, 06:33 AM
The reason bleach was used , MIXED with water, in earlier burnouts at the drags was because of the chemical reaction that took place, creating more heat faster and thus 'burning' off the initial layer of rubber to get to the stickier under levels, producing more grab and better e.t.s. It is no longer used for a number of reasons: The bleach is a powerful corrosive and is BAD for tires, metals and the drag surface compounds in the long haul. With the new technology in racing slick rubbers, only water is needed to produce a sufficient heat to burn the top tire rubber to the slightly stickier underneath. Having grown up in the mud-hole pits of the Fremont Dragstrip IN THE 60'S-70'S, I have seen the awesome power of the bleach burnout. If you want to see the king of the bleach burn, do a web search of Jungle Jim Lieberman and find the shot of him heating the tires to the point that his were called flame burnouts, they are awe-inspiring. Also look for Roland Leong's Hawaiian, and the Chi-Town Hustler...kings all of the one half to full 1/4 mile bleach burnout. For those of us fortunate enough to be there, there is no stronger smell or better high than the smell of bleach, burning rubber and nitro methane together. I love looking at my hours of 8 ang 16 mm old time movies of Fremont racing, Big Daddy, Snake v. Mongoose, The Snowman Gene Snow, Souza Bros., and SO many more. My daughter drives an alcohol rail, which is why I am the owner/operator of AG Racing. Someday we will sneak out to the strip in the dead of night (I have keys and codes) and film a couple of night bleach burns, 1/2 trackers, and hopefully get out before the cops get there....Peace2all....