Ford vs. chevy vs. mopar vs. import

[Fordrockschevy]

Ok i am wondering how many of you guys are ford guys, how many of you a chevy shi* box fans, how many of oyu are mopar fans and how many of you choose imports over a real car.

[Scarface3485]

Ford All The Way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[danny]

what's the matter? you get hit in the head real hard or something? lol you cannot compare fords, dodges and imports to real cars(chevys) it's just unheard of. lol

[76 Mustang II]

reference to real cars, and C****s in the same sentence? I don't think it's he that ate paint chips as a child...LOL

[carsandcycles]

Whatever "floats your boat". I've been a Chevy fan my whole life. I appreciate some of the others but keep my loyalty to the "Bowtie".

[k98k]

Originally posted by Fordrockschevy
Ok i am wondering how many of you guys are ford guys, how many of you a chevy shi* box fans, how many of oyu are mopar fans and how many of you choose imports over a real car.

how old are you ? 12 ? sounds like it to me.

every car/truck has is advantages/disadvantages. and it would be boring if everybody drove/liked the same thing.

btw. ford is having LOTS of quality problems lately. not to mension how BAD they are treating there techs = paying them 1 hr for 2 hrs work = not a good thing.

[danny]

Originally posted by 76 Mustang II
reference to real cars, and C****s in the same sentence? I don't think it's he that ate paint chips as a child...LOL

lol, we ate shrooms not paint chips back in the day, when sanity returned we got right with chevys, some didn't return and continued to drive fords. lol

[Fordrockschevy]

Hey k98k i made this post to see who liked what so if you are going to get pissy and say thigns liek that then you shouldnt of read on man simple as that get your panties out of a bunch. And by the way i know i am not 12 i am 17 i know wow whoopy 5 years difference the way you were pissin and moaning sounds like your the one who is 12

[k98k]

you started it calling someones car/truck a shi* box, thats low class. it seems that you can dish it out, but you can't take it, lol.
this is the last view of this topic i will see, i have better things to read.

[speedyman_2]

I own a '65 Mustang. But I'm a Chevy fan. The 64-66 Mustang is the only Ford I like. I'm also a fan of the Imports. Not much interest in Dodge though. Esp. newer models, they ****.

[Focusedrage]

Ok this is how i see it, i have a ford, it is fine, lets see but mustangs rule, so do some of the older fords, (Focus s*cks my c*ck) and for chevey, corvette, ahhha, my uncle hasa 76 stingray, so cool, and the comero is awsome, imports like all around are reliable, but rx7, supra, skyline, 3000gt/eclips, are the big contenders All brands have great cars i would want to own every one i talked about, i wouldnt want to limit my experience because of brand loyaltee, viper is cool too, and charger...

[76 Mustang II]

The "Slomaro is cool?? LOL allllllrightythen.... quick question.... do you have a mullet? LMAO


Danny.... we just had wildwood flower here...LOL

[danny]

Danny.... we just had wildwood flower here...LOL [/B][/QUOTE]

that'll work for sure. take a trip and never leave the farm. lol

[Focusedrage]

What, come on the new z28 is cool if nothing else it has like 300 hp but i dont know if i would ever want to get one, and no i dont have a mullet, eww

[danny]

what a ford driver without a mullet? lol

[Highwayman]

Would have to agree with Focusedrage. Everyone argues about which brand is better, but for every negative someone can come up with for a Chevy, I can find an equivalent one for Ford or Mopar. Each brand has it's good points and bad ones.I have owned just about equal numbers of cars from the big 3, and a few imports as well. I cannot honestly say one brand is totally superior over another,as far as common cars are concerned. When I figure out how to incorporate all the good features of every car I've owned into 1 vehicle, it would probably be called a Mercedes...

[NARK]

Imports all the way. So much more customizable. And they just look so much cooler than any ford chevy or mopar when it's all said and done.But for the record I would have to say that Mopar would be my second choice. I also think that it has a lot to do with they age that you are and where you live. Older people choose "classic" cars to drive around and younger people lean more toward imports or newer versions of things and if you live for a truck then hell yea american vehicles rule. But to sit around and compare models of cars or trucks is silly can't you find anything else to post on here rather than a debat over Fords, Chevys, Mopar, or imports. :( :0

[Fordrockschevy]

Hey i am 17 and i would prefer a ford classic over a import any day cause a classic looks better and would take a import any day and it is a poll.

[airplanemech]

whats is the only vehicle mfg that has had more sports cars? (vette, camaro, z28, trans am) stock vette will take a hopped up stang! lol dodge viper has to add 2 more cylinders to hang-- chevy and ford. and what as more availblity and interchangable parts between blocks - chevy. I drive an 84 chevy truck, at 100k miles the old 305 was burning oil (valve guides) and its still got 14 MPG! i went to a 350 crate and gettin 10-12 MPG. w/ a carb rochester carb jetted to a 305. there is one thing about those trucks is the 700r4 tranny-chevy people know. other than that i am the 3rd owner and still rolling. I like chevy all my life for the reason above. I like dodge (318 eng) it been a **** good eng( i had a 78 dodge). my friend has a chevy 97 or 98 full size ext cab and he said one day a dokota r/t (318 eng) spanked him like standin still. if i can find a dokota r/t i will consider gettin they are very rare.

[chevyman]

im in for chevy and dodge so as the saying goes, if you cant RAM it throw a rock at it

[towtrucks]

Basically, ALL cars are Chevrolet.
ALL NASCAR engines are built from Chevrolet standards.
Go to a car show, ANY car show. You can NOT find a Chevy custom or street rod with a Ford engine, most Ford street rods or customs are powered by Chevy engines.
Value of a 1957 Ford....$8,500.00
Value of a 1957 chevy....$26,000.00

Value of a 1964 Thunderbird.....$6,200.00
Value of a 1964 Corvette ..........$23,000.00
(compared Vette to T-bird because ford introduced T-bird to compete with Vette)

Besides, baseball, apple pie, and Chevrolet is the American way.

[Jeorge]

Well I have a ford because its all I could aford at one time....

Im not a Fan of the newer Fords except the Superdutys but I would take a new 3/4 ton GMC with the 6.6 over it anyday.

I have Fords, mopar, and GM, heck I even have 2 mazdas but as for likeing what the best hmmm


Luxury = German
Sport=italian
luxury&sport My Pontiac
Trucks Nothing like a GMC
Collectibility My pontiac or a old 67 Vette or 69.5 charger daytona

OKay okay I cant be totaly Bias but it did take a 454 to beat the old 5.8L lightning

So insted of Vs. there should be a Tread what would you want in you collection

1:Car:
2:Classic Car:
3:Sports car:
4: Classic Sports Car
5:Muscle car:
6:Truck:
7:Toy:
8:Project:

For me it would be
1: 2002 Benx 600SL Renn Tech
2:Old 30's Dusenburg
3: 25th or 30th anniversary Countach
4: 67 Vette w/427 FI
5:69.5 Charger daytona 440/4spd
6: 2002 Gmc 3/4 ton ext cab 4x4 w/6.6 auto
7: 70's Ford Liftedw/460
8: 38 Ford Pickup with a Mustang 302

[hemiman69]

Just about every website seems to have this question on it, oh well..... I agree with a few people on here that say that each one is unique in there own way. I happen to like Mopar the best b/c I have a '69 Hemi Charger R/T, but as for chevy I'd like to get ahold of a '70 Chevelle SS LS6, and as for Frod I like the Shelby 427 Cobra... So I like each one, now as for imports, god I swear I really wish that they would make a SOUND LAW for them things, they go by me when I'm taking my time and I can't hear anything but them, dang there anoying.... Anyway, as for Mopar, Chevy, and Ford, I like each one but only certain ones, there are some models of each make that I don't like... But I like the Hemi the most :-D

[scottking]

Nothing beats an American car! Ah horsepower and torque from an american car is great, IMO yeah imports have HP but do not have a clue what torque is. I rather be in an american car any day, I tried driving Hondas for 2 years but got sick an tired of those no torque engines. IMO imports are for the rice market buyers.

[Rally Art]

Chevy's are the greatest american automobile company. my chevy will blow your ford away...... *****

[Rally Art]

Originally posted by Rally Art
Chevy's are the greatest american automobile company. my chevy will blow your ford away...... *****


Automatic 3 speed
427 CI (8 Cylinders)
Exterior Color: Turquois
Interior Color: Black
Horsepower: 550
Drive Train: 2WD

[mailman]

Lets see--Ford, Chevy, Mopar, or Import! I pick Studebaker!!!
A nice 1957 Golden Hawk, with 352 Supercharged V-8. Yea thats the ticket. 12.75 ET at 102MPH. Some of the younger guys are thinking, "What the heck is a Studebaker"? For looks a Mopar, for ride a GM, for a smooth V-8 Ford, for the best 4 banger around Honda or Toyota. They all have good points.

[QtrHrsmn]

Originally posted by Rally Art
Chevy's are the greatest american automobile company. my chevy will blow your ford away...... ***** Come get some....

[hemiman69]

Originally posted by mailman
Lets see--Ford, Chevy, Mopar, or Import! I pick Studebaker!!!
A nice 1957 Golden Hawk, with 352 Supercharged V-8. Yea thats the ticket. 12.75 ET at 102MPH. Some of the younger guys are thinking, "What the heck is a Studebaker"? For looks a Mopar, for ride a GM, for a smooth V-8 Ford, for the best 4 banger around Honda or Toyota. They all have good points.

I know I'm not but 19, almost 20, but I ma familiar with the ol Studie's. Nice cars indeed, and in a few ways, ahead of there time.

[Rally Art]

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
Come get some....



you make me laugh........ hahahahahaha

[mailman]

Wait a minute Towtrucks, you say all Nascar engines are built to Chev standards. Where do you get this nonsense. All Nascar engines are limited on Cubic Inches and all the other rules pertaining to Carb and type of lifters and etc. But they are not built on Chev pattern. Ford engine is not the same as GM except for the fact they are both small block internal combustion engine. The first V-8 was produced by Ford, albeit it was a flat head. Olds built the first OHV V-8. Ford and Chev both came out with one in 1955. You talk about Chev engines in Fords. Hey thats because they are cheaper, not because they are better. Up until aftermarket rear ends, all Nascar ran Ford, even Dale. Another thing, guess what was the number one selling car in 1957-------FORD. I personally think the 57 Ford Fairlane is a much better looking car than Chev Bel Air. Also 1957 Thunderbird was not introduced as a Sports Car. One more thing, the king of American Sports Cars in my opinion is the Shelby Cobra. Even though built in the early 60's it still has no rival. Carroll Shelby put Ford engines in all Cobras. Just some thoughts!
V-8 Rear Wheel Drive Rules!

[airplanemech]

Chevy u say is cheaper??? yeah they may be but parts are more interchangeble that any other mfr! chevy has the biggest eng out there-crate! (cant remember what it is off hand) its bigger than 502. i have a friend running a 383 stroker running low 9s W/O NOS!!!!! my friend dad works at GM, as a GM tech. This car took about 5 years to build. also you may look at the older "FORDS" they run CHEVY Hmmmffff.........

[airplanemech]

also who was the 1st to come out w/ fuel injection? chevy! in ' 56

[mailman]

Negative! First fuel injection was Tucker!

[Chase_N_ok]

whatever, as long as it's american it's good, if you wanna get an import running quick you better have a really fat pocket book

[Odawg]

OK, my two cents...

Somthing has always drawn me to Chevys. The old Malibu, and other GM products.

BUT DAMMIT! WHERE IS THE MUSCLE CAR THAT THE WORKING MAN CAN AFFORD NOW? My father just bought a new vette for more than I'll ever be able to get within honest means. Do the big three want me to resort to the criminal life to get a cool car?

[mailman]

You know there is an affordable muscle car out there. It is Mustang or Camaro/Firebird. If you go order you a Mustang or Camaro/Firebird with the biggest engine and leave off all the extras it can be quite a bargain. It's not as good as it use to be back when you could buy a stripped down big block sleeper that everyone thought was a 6 until you stepped on the gas. Now the manufactures include most of the stuff you don't really need as part of the base. Do we really need Power windows and locks etc to make a car fast?

[lifesuxthanudie]

hey man ford sux but i still respect ur oppion
chevrolet is the best with a 427 big block

[airplanemech]

i think as a chevy man, the best eng was 327 that was stopped in i think 69, and the 350 that is still kickin. all tho chevy came back w/ the 327 in 99 i think it was.---i was shocked. also i love the HEI on my 84 truck!

[mailman]

I am not pro Ford or Anti-Chevrolet. I have owned both and like both. I kinda feel like I'm in Chevyville. I really never got hooked on one brand. As for engines, the two very best older engines in my opinion are the Chevy-327 & Ford-289. One brand I do not like and never have is Chrysler. Had bad experiences with their vehicles. Long live the V-8!!!!!!

[AgNeon]

Personally, I love certain cars of each brand.

Chevelle, Vette Stingray, Daytona, Viper, NEON, (he, he, he)Shelby Cobra, GT40, Mustang SVT 'R', Ford Lightning, 1994-1998 Supra (ridiculous ammounts of low end torque) 2001 Mazda MP3 (one of the best handling cars around. esp. when pinned on tests against vettes, porshes and other 'super cars'. 1999-up Mazda Miata, 1993 and up RX7's - so what if the rotaries broke down often if abused. 270HP out of a 1.3L is impressive. Nissan 300zx, Nissan GT390, Integra type R 'J' spec, NSX type 'S', CL type 'S',
Lamborghini Murcielago, Jaguar XKR, DB6's, DB7's, 308 GTO, 360 Modena, SL55 AMG, 230 Kompressor Coupe, Audi A6 Avant 2.7L V6-Biturbo, Audi TT, DeLorean, Renault Clio Turbo, Peugeot 306, Mini Morris, Mini (BMW), M3, M5, M Coupe, M Roadster, Z8, TVR speed 6, TVR speed 12, and the list goes on and on....too many cars to name!

[QtrHrsmn]

Originally posted by airplanemech
Chevy u say is cheaper??? yeah they may be but parts are more interchangeble that any other mfr! chevy has the biggest eng out there-crate! (cant remember what it is off hand) its bigger than 502. i have a friend running a 383 stroker running low 9s W/O NOS!!!!! my friend dad works at GM, as a GM tech. This car took about 5 years to build. also you may look at the older "FORDS" they run CHEVY Hmmmffff......... Look how big he had to go to get in the 9's...LOL I do it on a 302.... NOT stroked....tsk tsk....and everyone that knows me knows I detest power adders.... and it only took me a year to build my car...LOL it is a well known fact that if you go to a parts store, and price factory rebuild kits (or performance for that matter) C**** will be about $200-500 cheaper, depending on what you're trying to do with your car. After building/restoring a car, and pumping lots of money into a FORD 9" rear end.... it's no wonder people wimp out and go the cheaper route to finish the car. Although I personally would not sacrifice reliability or performance, I can understand why they do....


After all, the rule at the track is: Two passes and time to rebuild a C****...LOL

[danny]

After all, the rule at the track is: Two passes and time to rebuild a C****...LOL [/B][/QUOTE]

who's rule is that? yours? lol

[airplanemech]

it sux that chevy is retiring the camaro this year 2002 or 2003(lol i heard the Firehawk( like the 2002 model--limited addition can spank a Vette!?!?) i think. like i said who has the most muscle cars and the most interchangable parts for the same block???---CHEVY??? chevy best eng's was the 305, 327, 350--same block but diff throw.

[airplanemech]

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
Look how big he had to go to get in the 9's...LOL I do it on a 302.... NOT stroked....tsk tsk....and everyone that knows me knows I detest power adders.... and it only took me a year to build my car...LOL it is a well known fact that if you go to a parts store, and price factory rebuild kits (or performance for that matter) C**** will be about $200-500 cheaper, depending on what you're trying to do with your car. After building/restoring a car, and pumping lots of money into a FORD 9" rear end.... it's no wonder people wimp out and go the cheaper route to finish the car. Although I personally would not sacrifice reliability or performance, I can understand why they do....


After all, the rule at the track is: Two passes and time to rebuild a C****...LOL

watch NASCAR and see how many GM products there is in a race.

[airplanemech]

another thing guys--alot you see CHEVY engs in boats!!!---hmmm

[elbi_chorrea]

I PREFERED IMPORTS OVER ANYTHING OUT THERE, I THINK FORD'S SUCK, YOU BUY IT TODAY AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE DEALER BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT, TO ME, CHEVY = OLDIES , AND MOPAR IT'S NO BETTER, AND ONE QUESTION, HOW MANY AMERICAN CARS DO YOU SEE IN A GT RACE???,,ONE, TWO??, SOOOOOOOOO CRAPPY,,,,,HONDA, TOYOTA AND MAZDA ARE THE WAY TO GO.

[danny]

most people drive what they can afford.

[raceman6135]

I can't believe this schoolyard banter is still going on....

[mailman]

Check out the Holden from Australia, GM will be importing in 2004 as a GTO. Over 300 Horses.

[Fordrockschevy]

this topic is old i cant belive people keep bringing it back i never expected it to be at the top after this long. And its not most people buy what they can afford its most people buy what they like and this is entirly about opinon.

[elbi_chorrea]

WELL BUDDY YOU ARE THE ONE THAT STARTED THE "CHILDISH THEME", SO I THINK IT'S YUOR FAULT

[Fordrockschevy]

childish this is intirely about opinon there is nothing childish about it excpet the childish ones that make remarks like you.

[mailman]

Now come on fellows," CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG"! This is what makes America great. You like Chevy, someone else likes Ford. Somebody even likes Pontiac Aztec, although I can't see why. LOL

[QtrHrsmn]

Actually, if you look at NASCAR, boats etc.... you'll find they all have MERLIN blocks.... not chevys, not fords, etc... the only manufacturer that still uses their own engine is Chrysler.... but whatever you say.....

[Fordrockschevy]

hmm i think this topic has been aroudn about the longest.

[Chase_N_ok]

ya this topic been around a while now. but i think that the japanese aren't the only ppl that can make a good 4 cylinder. my oldsmobile calais has a 2.3 liter 16 valve high output 4 cylinder (180 hp stock) in it and i stomp acuras and hondas on a regular basis even with 144k miles on the engine. plus nobody ever expects a quick oldsmobile calais

[drgracdad]

Well what else could be used as a drag car MOPAR

[Toppack]

Hey, You Left out the GOOD Cars: Cadillac, Packard, Lincoln. :)
(Why have a PoorMans car: Ford, Chevy, Dodge) (When you can get a REAL car) :)

[airplanemech]

most boats i been in have chevy eng.

[82_camaro_owner]

how can you compare something like a f***ed over rebuild dodge aka ford to the greatness of chevy? needless to say ill sooner push my chevy b4 im caught dead riding or driving or even thinking of siding with ford

[airplanemech]

i think that chevy makes the biggest crate eng a 572--i am a chevy fan.

[Fordrockschevy]

i should of never made this post i didnt think it would last this long

[67 truck]

Originally posted by Fordrockschevy
Hey k98k i made this post to see who liked what so if you are going to get pissy and say thigns liek that then you shouldnt of read on man simple as that get your panties out of a bunch. And by the way i know i am not 12 i am 17 i know wow whoopy 5 years difference the way you were pissin and moaning sounds like your the one who is 12 I think it's a great topic you came up with. My wife drives a Ford Escort, I drive a 91 Jeep Cherokee and a 67 Chevy truck SWB. I like the truck for what it is, old, solid, and very fast. I like the Jeep for daily driving, towing, and getting through the snow. My wife drives the Escort mostly but I enjoy driving it sometimes. I'll drive whatever is a good deal!lol!

[elbi_chorrea]

IMPORTS ALL THE WAY, AMERICAN CARS ARE THE CRAPPIEST ONES,,,,,,,,,,YOU CALLED AN OLDSMOBILE A CAR???,,C'MON THOSE CARS ARE FOR OLD PEOPLE,,,,, DO YOU KNOW WHAT COUNTRY UPGRADES AND HAS THE FASTEST 4 CYLINDER IN THE WORLD????(I'M SAYING UPGRADING THE STOCK ENGINE),,,,I'M GUESSING NONE OF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT

[danny]

where are you from? you obviously don't know anything about american cars. you should research the muscle car era. todays american cars with fuel injection and computer control makes them second to none. have you ever driven an american car, i doubt it with your comments.

[82_camaro_owner]

and coming from someone who cant even put a sentence togther im really gonna belive him. he's the one with the 1.6 that wanted to put a 3inch straight pipe exhaust on his car to get mega horsepower. my 82 has quarter mil miles on it and its still running with no mods except a gasket here, belts and hoses there. few vacuum lines ya know normal maintence. tranny still runs strong after all these miles. so does the rear end. and belive me this car isnt babied i push the pedel as far as it will go ;)

[BigBry]

Will someone go over to Elbi's and fix his <Caps Lock> button????


This is the first time I've checked into this thread and I'd have to say I commend you all for being civil. I had my delete button all ready, but I never even needed it.

Am I a bad guy for not really liking Ford or Chevy? Bah, who cares what I like. I just get the shots.

[danny]

bigbry, no your not a bad guy for not liking something but you would be in question for saying something bad about something you probably don't know anything about. just my $.02
p.s. thanks for not deleting this thread.

[82_camaro_owner]

everyone is entitled to their own opinions and likes, but you shouldnt bash domestic cars espically in a american forum. and furthermore most certanly shouldnt bash something you know NOTHING about

[67 truck]

Hey' what about Jeeps? Their American made. Sure they ride like a skateboard, but they are reliable as heck! 198,000 miles and can STILL light the fairly new BFG's. On a dry road too! Actually it's just a testament too American quality. What vehicle is it that's made in Putter Rico?

[BigBry]

82 and Danny, I certainly hope you aren't talking about me...

I'm not bashing a darn thing.

I own a ford, I don't like it though. My opinion. Hate the car and am getting rid of it soon.

Actually I have had a ford since 93. Maybe I just need a change. Change is good.

I personally just like the styling of european cars. Shoot me if you feel the need. lol.

[speedwobble]

I'n notmuch of a truck person so I'll skip that. As far as cars go I like the Chrysler cars. The styling is far superior to any other domestic company. I was in a new Impala and it was a nice car but it had way too much hard cheap plastic in it. the dash look very plain and boring. Don't even get me started on the Aztec. Somebody should be fired for even thinking of making that thing. The Caddilacs are nice but the new CTS looks like they are going backwards in styling (80's brick styling) instead of forward.
As for the Fords. I rented a new Mustang in Phoenix last Janurary. Now that car looks very cool on the outside, but when you get inside it screams Tempo.
This is just my opinion but I'd rather be in a 300M special than most offerings in it's class.

Just my .02

[82_camaro_owner]

no bry i wasnt bashing j0, i was bashing that guy that obviously knows not the first thing about cars via the posts he makes that was bashing american cars into the ground

[BigBry]

I'm so use to everyone pyling on me if I don't agree with them that I just assumed you were talking about me..

OK, I'm going to crawl back into my hole.

[jmedved]

If you're interested in getting rid of that FORD, may I suggest that you look into a '95 thru '97 Supercharged Buick Riveria... They, in my humble opinion CAN'T BE BEAT, they're fairly inexpensive now, very comfortable, very reliable, ride like a dream, extremely good performance, and gets socially acceptable gas mileage, the styling is LOVE or HATE, but, take one for a ride, and you'll be impressed. Of course, I DO happen to be the proud owner of one, and MAY be a little biased, (sure wish mine had the supercharger).

[82_camaro_owner]

everyones entitled to what they want but it shouldnt interfere with others. you havent done anything to be cept express your perference in autos. the main reason i hate fords is because EVERY single ford ive ever owned left me on the road, i went through 2 98 escorts in less then 14 months, motor and tranny both went on both of them. ive gone thru a couple ford trucks, and 1 ford van. not to mention every ford my dad, grandfather, or mom ever had did the same to them. when my dad dropped his ford in 93 he got a 83 bird and after a l33t paint job, buffed up the powertrain he has had no prob with it for 9 years except wheel bearings. its got well over 300k miles on it. as does my 82 camaro has 250k miles on it and im only having lil p|ss ant problems like gaskets, and brakes, and ac/heat slides. to me this proves gm's dominance and fords patheticness

[danny]

Originally posted by BigBry
82 and Danny, I certainly hope you aren't talking about me...

I'm not bashing a darn thing.

I own a ford, I don't like it though. My opinion. Hate the car and am getting rid of it soon.

Actually I have had a ford since 93. Maybe I just need a change. Change is good.

I personally just like the styling of european cars. Shoot me if you feel the need. lol.

don't be so sensitive, i'm not bashing anything or anyone. i'm just saying that it is uncalled for someone to bash something that they probably don't know about. if i offended anybody please accept my apology.

[Daniel Wood]

Try replacing a water pump, timing chain,C6 transmission is enough alone to make you hate a Ford as a mechanic. But I have owned GM, Ford and Mopar and had reliability out of all three. But when it comes down to I'm GM all the way. But GM Van's should had put their bodies on frames instead of being unitized because unfortunately I was an accident in 1988 and I have to use a wheelchair to get around. And you can only lower the floor 3 or 4 inches and when you cut in the unitized body it voids the warranty. But on Ford you can lower the floor 6 inches with no problem. Sitting in a wheelchair on a floor that hasn't been lowered, you can see nothing but the hood and about three foot of road. Because you're sitting so high. So I swallowed my pride and had to buy a Ford. It has 70k miles other than replacing a $300 fuel pump it's been very good to me. If I could move, I would still hate working on a Ford.

[danny]

daniel, i take it that you are not talking about full sized g.m. or dodge van's?

[Daniel Wood]

Yes danny I'm talking about full-size Chevrolet, GMC Van. I don't know about a Dodge Van. A full-size GM Van has a unitized body.

[dohc82]

Originally posted by airplanemech
whats is the only vehicle mfg that has had more sports cars? (vette, camaro, z28, trans am) stock vette will take a hopped up stang! lol dodge viper has to add 2 more cylinders to hang-- chevy and ford. and what as more availblity and interchangable parts between blocks - chevy. I drive an 84 chevy truck, at 100k miles the old 305 was burning oil (valve guides) and its still got 14 MPG! i went to a 350 crate and gettin 10-12 MPG. w/ a carb rochester carb jetted to a 305. there is one thing about those trucks is the 700r4 tranny-chevy people know. other than that i am the 3rd owner and still rolling. I like chevy all my life for the reason above. I like dodge (318 eng) it been a **** good eng( i had a 78 dodge). my friend has a chevy 97 or 98 full size ext cab and he said one day a dokota r/t (318 eng) spanked him like standin still. if i can find a dokota r/t i will consider gettin they are very rare. what is the only vehicule mfg that has had more sports cars? (vette, camaro, z28, trans am) stock vette

None of the cars you listed are sports cars. They are grand touring cars. With the exception of the vette.

[dohc82]

Originally posted by 82_camaro_owner
everyone is entitled to their own opinions and likes, but you shouldnt bash domestic cars espically in a american forum. and furthermore most certanly shouldnt bash something you know NOTHING about

This is not an American forum. I am from Canada and I drive an 82 Toyota Supra. It has 250 000 kms and still gives the new domestics a shock ;-) I have owned import and domestic, euro and japanese. I like imports. They are easy to work on reliable and there are lots of parts at the wreckers. Best of all they are inexpensive to operate on a daily basis. And a built 96 twin turbo supra will beat any domestic muscle car new or old (street legal)
feel fee to slam me now :-)

[82_camaro_owner]

not an american forum? umm i could be wrong but isnt the show done im america? arent dave & sam american? i belive that this forum is american based but has international support. and ill stick to my word if someone dosent know anything about what their talking dont bash on it. and yes everyone is entitled to their opinons

my 82 camaro has 250k miles on it and she drives like new money, i dont need to goto the junkyard for parts except for moldings and other stuff's not sold anywhere. i do not wish to slam anybody but i also dont like hearing someone whom cant even complete a sentence properly calling american cars piles of 5h|t either.

oh and btw camaro's and firebirds are NOT touring cars. they are muscle cars. the touring cars are caddy's and buicks

[dohc82]

I did not refer to any car as a piece of sh**. My grammar is impeccable. Perhaps you should look up the definition of a GRAND touring car. Also check the definition of a sports car. They are very different. Most muscle cars are Grand touring cars. Have you ever wondered what GTO means. It is short for Grand Tourismo Omlogato. It dates back too the homologation classes of the 50s and 60s. But the term Grand tour came from the 1800s. I have respect for all manufacturers. There are models that I like by Ford, GM and Chrysler but I can appreciate a fine automobile no matter what continent it is from. And the fact that people from all over are on this site makes it an international forum...regardless of where the ISP is located.

[82_camaro_owner]

did i accuse you of calling american cars 5h|tpiles? UN UH

i belive everybody her knows what gto means and regardles of what yall call it down here WE call them muscle cars/sports cars/hot rods

and so bigbry dosent come in here and delete all the posts and everybody in this i wont argue any further

[danny]

i have owned 2 pontiac g.t.o.s-a '64 with 389/4 speed and a '67 400/4 speed. the 400 came out of a '70 bonneville as the car did come with a 389. i can tell you that g.t.o. in my experience stands for gas, tires and oil. lol

[dohc82]

Hilarious :-)

[BigBry]

Guys tone it down a bit. I don't want to close this thread.

[raceman6135]

I, for one, think this thread has far outlived its usefulness. It contains no information about the show or repairing or improving automobiles.

Let's use the server space for something more productive. Axe it.

DJS

[danny]

this thread should have been posted in the off topic forum anyway

[82_camaro_owner]

yeah, nuke it or move it to off topic

[Daniel Wood]

Before BigBry nuck's this I see where someone moves a statement from one place to another, it's in bold print and then gives his statement about what the person says underneath Can someone please tell me how to do that. Laugh all you want but if you don't know I'm not afraid to ask. And yes I believe this thread has about run its course. You see I'm not even talking about which is a better vehicle. But it is a legitimate question.

[danny]

Originally posted by DanielWood
Before BigBry nuck's this I see where someone moves a statement from one place to another, it's in bold print and then gives his statement about what the person says underneath Can someone please tell me how to do that. Laugh all you want but if you don't know I'm not afraid to ask. And yes I believe this thread has about run its course. You see I'm not even talking about which is a better vehicle. But it is a legitimate question.

you mean like this?

[Daniel Wood]

Yes please tell me how it's done. And yes I see were I spelled nuke wrong.

Thanks danny

[danny]

Originally posted by DanielWood
Yes please tell me how it's done. And yes I see were I spelled nuke wrong.

Thanks danny

on the lower right corner of the post there is an option of "quote", you click this and you will be taken to a message box with the post already there.

[elbi_chorrea]

Originally posted by 82_camaro_owner
and coming from someone who cant even put a sentence togther im really gonna belive him. he's the one with the 1.6 that wanted to put a 3inch straight pipe exhaust on his car to get mega horsepower. my 82 has quarter mil miles on it and its still running with no mods except a gasket here, belts and hoses there. few vacuum lines ya know normal maintence. tranny still runs strong after all these miles. so does the rear end. and belive me this car isnt babied i push the pedel as far as it will go ;)
YOU TALK ABOUT I NOT KNOWING HOW TO PUT A SENTENCE TOGETHER??,,,YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELLED WORDS RIGHT,,,,A 3" PIPE,,,THAT'S A STUPID THING TO DO, THAT MAYBE YOUR CASE YOUR TALKING ABOUT. 82 = OLD CAR, GO BUY A NEW ONE, AND PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IS EITHER JAPANESE OR EUROPEAN SINCE THOSE TWO ARE THE BEST CAR MANUFACTURERS.

[vetteonr]

Jesh....elbi sure has an axe to grind. Listen guys, everyone's grammar in here isn't perfect. Although some are worse than others. Everyone has an opinion and it should be expressed without getting into the needless personal bashing that goes on. What's funny is reading the post complaining about grammar that isn't correct itself. Let's just live and let live.

[82_camaro_owner]

"YOU TALK ABOUT I NOT KNOWING HOW TO PUT A SENTENCE TOGETHER??,,,YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELLED WORDS RIGHT,,,,A 3" PIPE,,,THAT'S A STUPID THING TO DO, THAT MAYBE YOUR CASE YOUR TALKING ABOUT. 82 = OLD CAR, GO BUY A NEW ONE, AND PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IS EITHER JAPANESE OR EUROPEAN SINCE THOSE TWO ARE THE BEST CAR MANUFACTURERS."

this is what it should of been

"you talk about me not knowing how to properly **** sentence togther, you cant even spell words correctly, a 3 inch pipe thats a stuipd thing to do, maybe in your case you talk about your 82 classic. you should purchase a new one and make sure its a rice burner so you have to floorboard it so you can reach speeds higher then 35mph because these cars suck"

and fyi your the one that wanted to put the 3in pipe on your 1.6 or 1.2 or whatever it was. your the one that thought that putting that huge pipe on your car would dramatically improve its performance and horsepower. get a real car i.e. american not these cars that get 60mpg and can only get 45 going downhill k?

[jmedved]

The 3" pipe is simply an addition to an existing exhaust system.. It does nothing to improve performance. If you want some laughs, go to http://www.RICECOP.com. You can even become a RICE COP yourself, and if you photograph the car that you "ticketed", you'll be able to post it on their website... It's really good for some laughs, what people will do to a perfectly good Honda, Nissan, Toyota, etc, etc.. is amazing.

[82_camaro_owner]

i know what, i can go throw a set of headers on my lawnmower to get mad power, then i can talk like this --> i be know my car is gooder cos it is not old, then ill be correct to this igit

[82_camaro_owner]

hey i went to ricecop and treid to jion and it took me to some page with *$@#$(@#%(#$><$%$><%>$%<$ on it so what do i do now?

[Daniel Wood]

Originally posted by danny


on the lower right corner of the post there is an option of "quote", you click this and you will be taken to a message box with the post already there.

Thanks danny I appreciate that very much.

Your friend Daniel Wood

[vetteonr]

All right...all right already. elbi, you go and stand in one corner, and 82, you go in the other. And neither one of you come out until you can behave. Jesh.....kids these days. LOL

[82_camaro_owner]

*gasps* kids? waah me aint no kid *pitches a fit and hurls stuff around* :P

you big meanie LMAO

[Daniel Wood]

Originally posted by Fordrockschevy
Ok i am wondering how many of you guys are ford guys, how many of you a chevy shi* box fans, how many of oyu are mopar fans and how many of you choose imports over a real car.

Did you get your answer ? Just wondering

A Chevy fan

[elbi_chorrea]

Originally posted by vetteonr
All right...all right already. elbi, you go and stand in one corner, and 82, you go in the other. And neither one of you come out until you can behave. Jesh.....kids these days. LOL
I would do that, but then again I respect the elder. And I wouldn't fight a 70 year old man, it's just not fair.

[Daniel Wood]

elbi are you just asking anyone to pick on you? It seems so, are you doing this for kicks? GET A LIFE

[airplanemech]

who in the H--l started this thread! LOL's its the longest one. Looks like Chevy had the vote.

[fotw]

This is not the longest one read the remember when thread

[Trader Ray]

Fordrockschevy is who started this thread. It has been interesting!

[KA9MOT]

All this Chevy vs. Ford stuff reminds me of the days when all the Chevy owners were pointing out the fact that if you drove a Pinto and it got rear ended you were going to blow up.........

Funny, they never mentioned that during the same time period if you drove a Chevy pick-up and it got T-Boned you would blow up.

A friend of mine is putting a Ford drive train under his Chebby. Why? and Why do so many Chevies Run Ford drive trains? Because they believe them to be stronger. Are they? Really? I kinda doubt it.

Why do so many Rodders put Chebby motors in their Ford Hot Rods? For the same reason, they believe they are superior. Are they? who really knows? It is cheaper to run that same Chevy engine because of it's popularity, but is it really better? I think for pure efficiency and power per cubic inch the Wankel beats them all. Come to think of it, Doesn't a Brigs & Stratton make more HP per cubic inch then our beloved V8s?

Just some thoughts.

[danny]

Originally posted by Beefy's Bronco
Why do so many Rodders put Chebby motors in their Ford Hot Rods? For the same reason, they believe they are superior. Are they? who really knows? It is cheaper to run that same Chevy engine because of it's popularity, but is it really better? I think for pure efficiency and power per cubic inch the Wankel beats them all. Come to think of it, Doesn't a Brigs & Stratton make more HP per cubic inch then our beloved V8s?

Just some thoughts.

i think really the reason that chevy engines are used in hot rods for the most part is their size and parts availability. i have seen many variations on engine/trans choices in the hot rod market-i do like to see the cars with the correct brand of engine as this adds authenticity to the project. however i prefer chevy powerplants.

[Daniel Wood]

Beefy, you went way back. I had forgotten all about this thread. I also noticed that a lot of members are not with us anymore, and that's a shame. Even the one that started this thread is gone.

I am a Chevy man through and through, but if I had a 34 Ford 3 window coupe, I would have to put a 302 or 351 Windsor in it.

Is just the way I think it should be.

[KA9MOT]

I just saw the new Dodge Hemi commercial. It has a Ford pulling a Shelby Mustang. It is so sweeeeeet!

[Daniel Wood]

What's the matter, Mustang wouldn't crank LOL.

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by DanielWood
What's the matter, Mustang wouldn't crank LOL.

Surely you can do better then that. Wait till ya see the commercial. LOL:D

[Daniel Wood]

I don't know Beefy, the only way it could be better is if a Chevy was pulling or pushing the car and truck:D

I'll bet the commercial does look good. Can't wait to see it.

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by DanielWood
I don't know Beefy, the only way it could be better is if a Chevy was pulling or pushing the car and truck:D

I'll bet the commercial does look good. Can't wait to see it.

It is hilarious.

[vetteonr]

I'm sure the dodge boys will target chevy soon enough. I haven't seen this one yet. Looking forward to it though!

[Troadster]

All right youall try this I love ford body's(27 t ) but like the cheep Chevy power for a streetrod. But if you git down to it I like any car that been fixed up. And you can see were time and energy has went into. And any way I would rind anything(that's not a death trap) befor I walk (I am Lasy LOL)!!

[vetteonr]

I saw the commercial beefy. When you spoke of it, I thought it was an ad for Dodge. My mistake. It was a Ford ad. Why can't ford come up with their own ideas? First they put a spin on the "like a rock" campaign, now they use the "hemi" ad idea. What's next?

[KA9MOT]

Ahh...come on, it was hilarious and it was a perfect answer to Dodges ad. Remember when they got Bigfoot to run over the Energizer Bunny? They were forced to drop that one but it aired several times.

[Dodgeglht]

Yeah!!

What is it about ford ripping off other car company comericals?? Even here in Ohio Ricart ford stole an already in use commercial from a local chevy dealer. In the chevy commercial a guy was getting yelled at so they hit a trunk monkey button and a money takes a tire iron to the guys scull. In fords commercial, a woman was in a car lot and a salesman ws botering her, so she pressed a button to get the creature(known as fred ricart) out of the trunk, which then hit the salesman in the head with a guitar.

2 diferent commercials, same idea.

(not trying to bash anyone, just having fun and picking on ford.):)

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by Dodgeglht
Yeah!!

What is it about ford ripping off other car company comericals?? Even here in Ohio Ricart ford stole an already in use commercial from a local chevy dealer. In the chevy commercial a guy was getting yelled at so they hit a trunk monkey button and a money takes a tire iron to the guys scull. In fords commercial, a woman was in a car lot and a salesman ws botering her, so she pressed a button to get the creature(known as fred ricart) out of the trunk, which then hit the salesman in the head with a guitar.

2 diferent commercials, same idea.

(not trying to bash anyone, just having fun and picking on ford.):)

This is a Ford dealers commercial and I doubt that Ford had anything to do with it. The commercial involving the Hemi obviously is not a copy of, but an answer too. A very direct and prompt answer.

[vetteonr]

I always thought ford had "a better idea". What happened?

[maximage]

Do I have to choose?

<-- Is to diverse to care...

Think about it...

90 Pontiac Turbo Grand Prix-- That covers GM
87 Supra Turbo-- That Covers imnports(have more, but that's my baby)
Had a 96 Cobra, and am a huge Mustang fan-- That covers Ford
ALWAYS love ma Mopar, that's my American dealer of choice-- Covers Mopar...


I would take my Supra over all(except maybe an old HEMI mopar..), but I like them all.

BTW< Chevy trucks OWN!! Those things are unstoppable. I've never seen any other truck go 458,000 on original engine/trans/differentials. At least not personally seen anyhow.

[danny]

no, you don't have to choose but remember that by not choosing you have made a choice lol :D

[vetteonr]

[i]
BTW< Chevy trucks OWN!! Those things are unstoppable. I've never seen any other truck go 458,000 on original engine/trans/differentials. At least not personally seen anyhow. [/B] How about that beefy? Pretty impressive huh?!

[maximage]

No kidding! I couldnt believe that thing! The body on it had seen WAY better days, but that eninge ran like a TOP! But I guess that goes along with Tif's dad's 58 Apache. The eninge in that hasn't been touched since the 80's and still runs strong.

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by vetteonr
How about that beefy? Pretty impressive huh?!

Yawn..........LOL :D If ya' look around here you'll see that I claimed nearly 500,000 on a 83 F-150 with a 300 six some time ago. Of course, I have no way of proving this. You just have to take my word for it.

His claim of nearly 500,000 miles is the same and I have no reason to doubt or be amazed by it.

It is you Chevy owners who should be amazed as not many Chevys do that well. LOL :D

[maximage]

Good thing I don't own a Chevy then right?? :)


I've seen a lot of Toyota trucks do similar miles, but I guess when you dont have the added stress of having power, it really isnt hard... lol

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by maximage
I've seen a lot of Toyota trucks do similar miles, but I guess when you dont have the added stress of having power, it really isnt hard... lol

Careful now, You'll make Da Carguy cry.

[maximage]

Uh, oh..... Is he a Toyota guy? Actually, so am I. I'm very partial to my Supra, so it's all good.

[Daniel Wood]

Originally posted by Beefy's Bronco
Yawn..........LOL :D If ya' look around here you'll see that I claimed nearly 500,000 on a 83 F-150 with a 300 six some time ago.

But you had to rebuild that trot line weight didn't you ? :D

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by DanielWood
But you had to rebuild that trot line weight didn't you ? :D

Hey! Who's telling this story? I never said I didn't repair anything.

Here is the history of that truck. Dad bought it brand new in 1983. Had it converted over to points after the warranty had expired (he just can't wrap his mind around the theory of electronic ignition) and drove the wheels off of it for better then 300,000 miles then decided that was toooo many miles for a inline 6. He got a 302, converted it over to points and attempted for 3 months to swap this engine in (it's an easy swap but dad was unable to figure out that he had to replace the frame perches and kept trying different oil pans and other setups) until he tired of that. This kid comes over and tells Dad he has a 1966 300 six that only has 50,000 miles on it for sale for 300 bucks. Dad thought this was wonderful news and purchased that engine right there on the spot. It didn't get any better then that as far as dad was concerned. It already had points and no pollution control. Dad rounded up some helpers and went about the business of swapping in this engine. As it turned out. the 66 model had a center sump oil pan while the original engine (which still ran good and was sitting in the corner) had a rear sump. The center sump interfered with the cross member so these three Brainiacs decided that it would be easier to stack washers on the motor mounts (thus gaining the needed clearance) then it would be to change the pans. They got it installed, fired it up and it had a rod knock. LOL Dad got mad and sold me the truck for $2000 dollars. This was in 1990. I drove this rod knocker for 3 or 4 months and decided to put the original engine back in the truck. When I got it back in I found that the engine had locked up from sitting so long. During this time frame there was no internet (we used BBS) or any other way of getting info other then calling somebody up and asking. So, having never dealt with a locked up engine before I called the local engine shop and was instructed to dump some diesel fuel down into the combustion chambers via the spark plug holes and using a breaker bar force the engine to turn over and bust it loose. So, I got it busted loose and fired up and that engine lasted exactly 12 miles. When I tore it down to rebuild it I found 5 cylinders had the rings busted. So I rebuilt it. That engine went another 200,000 miles and I sold the truck for $2200 in 2000.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Daniel Wood]

LOL :D

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by DanielWood
LOL :D

You'll have to go back and look again there Mr. Wood as I have added a bunch more stuff to it.

[Daniel Wood]

What did you do, weld a towbar to the bumper? LOL

No, seriously, what did you do ?

Wow, I'll bet your dad could have killed a kid if he had gotten his hands on him.

[KA9MOT]

Originally posted by DanielWood
What did you do, weld a towbar to the bumper? LOL

No, seriously, what did you do ?

Wow, I'll bet your dad could have killed a kid if he had gotten his hands on him.

What did I do? I went home and got my brothers car trailer and his chevy and towed it home. Then I rebuilt it.

Dad chewed that kid a new aßß but never got his money back.

The real funny thing is, dad bought a 1989 F150 with a 300 six in it and had the fuel injection and the electronic ignition removed. He went back to carb and points as soon as the warranty expired. Tried that with his 91 F150 and nobody would do it for him. Same with his 98 Silverado and the new F150. He is real upset. No Carb and he doesn't understand it well enough to work on it.

[Daniel Wood]

Fuel injection an electronic ignition can be a pain. Sometimes, you get so aggravated, you just have to walk away for a while.

By the way I liked the way you snuck CHEVY in their.

[danny]

that was a good story beefy, i especially like the part where you confessed to having a chevy haul your roadside deposit home. :D

[KA9MOT]

I knew that would make your day. I never occured to me to say pick-up instead of chevy

[danny]

Originally posted by Beefy's Bronco
I knew that would make your day. I never occured to me to say pick-up instead of chevy

freudian(sp?) slip?

[Daniel Wood]

Originally posted by Beefy's Bronco
chevy

Beefy, it's not Chevy it's CHEVY now don't get upset with yourself, it happens to all of us. LOL :D

[KA9MOT]

Yeah, well the really bad part was my buddy owned a Chebby and that thing was used up and I was constantly working on it. It had served him very well but it was time to take it out and shoot it. I was always telling him that he needed another truck because his was dead and I swear it was only running on 3 cylinders saw me towing it home. With a chevy . I thought he was never gonna let me live that one down.

[8winsforcar12]

Originally posted by Beefy's Bronco
Yeah, well the really bad part was my buddy owned a Chebby and that thing was used up and I was constantly working on it. It had served him very well but it was time to take it out and shoot it. I was always telling him that he needed another truck because his was dead and I swear it was only running on 3 cylinders saw me towing it home. With a chevy . I thought he was never gonna let me live that one down. What I've learned is this...we can argue about FORD, CHEVYs, DODGEvs. each other ....But ya know what I'd rather drive AMERICAN than support Japanese cars any day:D

[Daniel Wood]

Well said 8winsforcar12

[KA9MOT]

10-4!

[Dodgeglht]

Originally posted by 8winsforcar12
What I've learned is this...we can argue about FORD, CHEVYs, DODGEvs. each other ....But ya know what I'd rather drive AMERICAN than support Japanese cars any day:D

I hear ya!!! We might not all agree on alot of things when it comes to CHEVY vs DODGE, etc., but atleast we all agree that they're better than japaneze cars. I'm actually in the middle of the american love/hate relationship. My main driver is a Mercury, my fun car is a Dodge, and my resto car is a Chevy... all of which I like

Hows that for a combo??? I dont know where I belong!!:(

[8winsforcar12]

Originally posted by Dodgeglht
I hear ya!!! We might not all agree on alot of things when it comes to CHEVY vs DODGE, etc., but atleast we all agree that they're better than japaneze cars. I'm actually in the middle of the american love/hate relationship. My main driver is a Mercury, my fun car is a Dodge, and my resto car is a Chevy... all of which I like

Hows that for a combo??? I dont know where I belong!!:( Basically the same group as me lol daily driver chevy project mercury, truck ford, favorite driver Mopar

[mopar yaaaaaaaa]

mopar kills anything ford just plain sucks and chevy cant make enough power to beat a mopar u take a 572 chev and blow it u could make maybe 800 horse power u take a 540 hemi and blow it u make 900 plus horsepower so what do u have to say about that

[mopar yaaaaaaaa]

moparrrrrrrrrr

[Daniel Wood]

Welcome to the forum Needs More Parts Man Yaaaaaaa

Oh we'll have a lot more to say when we get to know you a little better unless we're pushed.

Hope you stay with us!

[danny]

mopar kills anything ford just plain sucks and chevy cant make enough power to beat a mopar u take a 572 chev and blow it u could make maybe 800 horse power u take a 540 hemi and blow it u make 900 plus horsepower so what do u have to say about that


decaf

[Trader Ray]

Wonder what ever happen to 8winsforcar12 He has not posted in a while and was a daily poster for a while.

[Daniel Wood]

Ryan Newman (number 12) quit winning races. He could get the Pole without any problem, just couldn't win the race. They'll get it right before long.

Just joking 8wins. Hurry back now ya hear.

[Trader Ray]

I kind of thought the same thing. :)

[vetteonr]

mopar kills anything ford just plain sucks and chevy cant make enough power to beat a mopar u take a 572 chev and blow it u could make maybe 800 horse power u take a 540 hemi and blow it u make 900 plus horsepower so what do u have to say about thatI say what about the SMALLBLOCK in the Z06 corvette that puts out 500 hp. I do hope you stick around mopar yaaaaaa. Get to know us a little bit. Don't be one of those guys that just comes in here, slams people on here, and then is never heard from again.

[Trader Ray]

Looks like just two post from that person. :(

[justen]

mopar kills anything ford just plain sucks and Chevy cant make enough power to beat a mopar u take a 572 Chev and blow it u could make maybe 800 horse power u take a 540 hemi and blow it u make 900 plus horsepower so what do u have to say about that

Just remember it's not horsepower that wins, It's torque. You could have a car with 300 horsepower and 200 pounds of torque. And you could have another car with 200 horsepower and 300 pounds of torque. The car with 200 horsepower would blow the doors off the 300 horsepower car all day long.

[Daniel Wood]

I was hoping he would stick around so we could continue this debate. But I guess that's all ammunition he had to work with.

Hot Dang It!

[danny]

I was hoping he would stick around so we could continue this debate. But I guess that's all ammunition he had to work with.

Hot Dang It!

that's not fair-lol-i'm sure that he was just repeating something he heard from a person he looked up too- :eek: :D

[olddog]

Just remember it's not horsepower that wins, It's torque. You could have a car with 300 horsepower and 200 pounds of torque. And you could have another car with 200 horsepower and 300 pounds of torque. The car with 200 horsepower would blow the doors off the 300 horsepower car all day long.
I dissagree. Torque is a measure of rotational force. You can have torque with zero rotation, and you can measure it. However a billion lb-ft of torque with zero rotation will do no work. Horse power is a measure of work, on the other hand. You have to move to do work. Here is the actual formula for the relationship of torque and horse power.

Hp = Tq * RPM / 5252
where Hp = horse power
Tq = torque expressed in lb - ft

So at 5252 RPM, Hp and Tq are equal. Note at zero RPM there is zero Hp, as no work is being done. Also notice that bellow 5252 RPM Hp < Tq and above 5252 RPM Hp > Tq.

We are most used to hearing what the peak Hp and the peak Tq for an engine is. Those numbers are listed at the RPM at which that peak was produced. However this is not enough of the picture to really understand what the engine is capable of. You need to graph the torque from the lowest RPM achievable on the dyno to somewhere above the peak Hp. Then you can compare one engine to annother.

In a drag race, only the RPM range that the engine will operate at during the race is important. You need to look at the average Hp of that RPM range. In two like wieght cars, with equal traction, and the two engines you listed above, assuming each is geared to the ideal operation of the engine, the engine with the higher average Hp will win every time.

Top speed, the engine with the higher Hp will win every time (all else equal). There is no other possibility. It is the laws of physics.

I have specified electric motors and drives for different applications. Believe me it is well understood facts, but don't feel bad I have had Engineers with 10 years experiance fail to understand this and install motors that were too small to do the job, even though I tried to tell them. After it doesn't work they come back and have me explain it again, only this time they actually listen.

[justen]

True but alot of these new engines lack the torque curve of the older engines, Although big blocks have gotten better but not like the late 60's engines like the 427 435 horsepower. It amazes me to see old vettes with little blocks I think 289 not sure but some were putting out 310 horsepower.

[olddog]

289 was Ford's engine. You mean the 283. I know you said you weren't sure, but these die hard Chebby guys are going to have a cow if we don't get that corrected. :D

Quick you edit in 283 in your post, and then I'll edit this out of this post. They will never know the difference.

Actually it was amazing how well a 283 with relatively low torque and a lot of rpms could muster enough hp to stay in sight of the big blocks. The extra weight of the big block and its heavier drivetrian meant that some of that extra power went to hauling itself around.

[justen]

LOL I don't care if they see it. I'd like to find a old vette like that. Someday those engines will be rare and worth money being they don't build them anymore. I believe the vette they had on barrette Jackson was a 67, it was a convertible And I thought they said it might be the first year with the injection option. That vette sold for 120,000. So I'm going to keep a eye open for one maybe stuck in a barn somewhere and make it a project car. I also wouldn't mind getting my hands on a old 302 Chevy engine. I could make one but I'd like to get a factory one.

I'd like to collect a few old engines. Because down the road there will be less people into rat-rods and older cars, all the kids these days are mostly intrested in souped up honda civics. And I have a feeling when a generation dies, so will some of the cars along with them. Once in a while I'll see someone with a original model-T or A. But not alot.

[Trader Ray]

In my junkyard days, I bought a 65 I think Chevy C 30 factory towtruck. It had a factory 327 engine that was the same engine put in the Corvettes I was told. The old truck still had a collaspable Cainfield boom on it and the worn out PTO winch. The truck had those long links from the frame to the rear end and coil springs and the links had rusted in two and the rearend was loose.

I pulled the motor and trans and put the motor in a 74 Chevy truck and it would slam your head against the back window in every gear it had so much power. It had one of those old square carbs that was factory back then and had the center dump exhaust manifolds. It was a awsome buy. Like you said though, those types of finds are either non-existent or to expensive nowadays.

[Trader Ray]

I think I will post this and take the abuse for doing it. On the way to work today I took the long route that involves driving on I-81 and actually backtraking a few miles. I am checking things out for next weeks drive to Michigan.

Well there were a few big rigs that had the two lanes tied up for about 10 minutes while passing one another on the hills we have here. There was some sort of Honda Convertable that was really slick looking and then there was me and behind me was a really clean 72 Chevy that was wanting by, well when the one truck got back over it was on, we all got over to pass and for the moment speed was not a issue as we all gave it all it had. The Honda pulled away from me like nothing, but the Chevy with the V8 could not keep up with me and my little s10. My exit was coming up and I got off and he blew by and tipped the horn a little note. I was so pumped when I got to work today it was incredable. That was truely a blast and although I did exceed the speed limit by about 25 MPH I know it was very wrong and not something I do normally.

My worst street crimes are getting to much mud on the back roads after leaving the lake bottoms in the winter. But I just had to share that.

[Factoryrat]

If its American, Ill Drive it! Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Does not matter much to me. I will say this tho, I would rather push any of my American cars, than drive an import. Thats just my personal opinion. Support OUR economy before anyone elses. :cool:

No offence to those of you that own imports. ;)